Bennett and Plummer: Stack and Tilt
Filed in archive Golf Instruction on May 14, 2007
Courtesy: golf digest
That's Mike Bennett on the leftand Andy Plummer flanking Aaron Baddeley, their star PGA player.
Not pictured are Mike Weir, 2003 Masters winner, Eric Axley, Dean Wilson, Will MacKenzie and Brad Faxon, just some of the touring pros who work with Bennett and Plummer.
These two guys are dubbed "swing whisperers", a corny way of saying they teach the golf swing.
But their version of the golf swing is controversial, confusing and very unorthodox. Or so it seems.
Baddeley has won twice in the past year; Wilson, Axley and MacKenzie have all notched their first ever PGA wins under Bennett and Plummer.
So something must work. But this swing, called Stack and Tilt (sounds like a washer and dryer) on the surface seems to say "do everything your mother said not to do - it's okay".
Of course amateurs see the pros adopting a swing and we want to, as well. There's a sucker born every minute and I'm in line for my turn.
But amateurs are finding this is not an easy swing to learn. And maybe we shouldn't be trying to learn it without actually visiting either Bennett or Plummer for hands-on instruction.
Stack and Tilt has the amateur golf world buzzing - or screaming. It's hard to tell.
A number of forums (here's one) are tackling the Stack and Tilt issue and many posts are bordering on verbal violence as the pros and cons weigh in.
What I'm going to do over the next few days is gather comment from several different teachers of the swing and post them here.
That will either muddy the waters further or offer some clarity.
In the meantime, check the above forum website and read the comments.
Then let me know your thoughts and we'll keep the discussion going on whether this is the Holy Grail for amateurs or another winding trail off into the woods that will leave us no further ahead.

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Mike
(05/14/07 1:29pm)
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Steve
(05/19/07 5:37am)
Anything new is generally met with scepticism. As with anything if it works for you do it - if it ain't broke don't fix it! For me this swing is a godsend. I have tried to shift weight like they all say for years. I can't do the orthodox shift well because I have clubbed feet and my right ankle especially gives me Hell. So I reckon I know a bit about trying to find a swing to make the shift easier. Probably the easiest I had found previously was to try and copy Moe's swing. Only thing was a severe lack of distance. Previous to that I used to swing back inside and used mostly body turn with most weight on the front (left) foot. Worked well but with severe low hooks. I read these guys and I see where I went wrong. They do what I was doing except with a neutral grip, more shoulder turn on the backswing and finishing higher, front on and turned right through to the target. It makes bucket loads of sense to me and after shooting 8 less than my handicap (20) last week it's as if someone just turned on all the lights. They say everyone has a different swing, but their premise of weight more forward to make it easier to get back there seems to make so much sense - I watch my mates swing (single figure handicappers) and I can see how they could benefit too. Only like most folks, they need to find out for themselves. This stuff is awesome
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Mike Uysal
(05/22/07 5:21pm)
Stack&titlt works great for me with the ball on the ground. With the ball teed up - particularly the driver I am still searching for something reliable. At times I do hit good shots but the bad ones are weak slices with a feeling of blocked arms and open club-face at impact.
Stack&Tilt advocates 60/40 weight distribution for the irons. It is not clear whether this is the same when the ball is teed up for the driver. 60/40 makes sense for the irons which results in better compression through the turf.
For the forward swing Stack&Tilt advocates upward thrust of the buttock muscles while the arms are swinging down. MY QUESTION IS: As the body stands up through the soda can being crushed with the left leg (right hand player) - are the arms swinging down or is the trunk rotating left and tilting with arms close to the rib cage?
In other words, is it an arm swing or trunk rotation? There is a difference. Swinging the upper arms is like a throwing motion. Trunk rotation implies completely passive arms married to your rib cage. Which is it Andy?
Stack&Tilt advocates 60/40 weight distribution for the irons. It is not clear whether this is the same when the ball is teed up for the driver. 60/40 makes sense for the irons which results in better compression through the turf.
For the forward swing Stack&Tilt advocates upward thrust of the buttock muscles while the arms are swinging down. MY QUESTION IS: As the body stands up through the soda can being crushed with the left leg (right hand player) - are the arms swinging down or is the trunk rotating left and tilting with arms close to the rib cage?
In other words, is it an arm swing or trunk rotation? There is a difference. Swinging the upper arms is like a throwing motion. Trunk rotation implies completely passive arms married to your rib cage. Which is it Andy?
Response from:
Mike Uysal
(05/22/07 5:27pm)
I ask the difference between arm swing and trunk rotatioin because the Golf Digest article talks about no independent arm/hand motion. Do the arm swing, like a conscious arm swing as advocated by Ernest Jones - Swing the club-head or Manuel DeLatorre? The other possibility is leaving the arms married to the rib cage and rotate the trunk. I am trying to clarify the distinction.
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Gary Hathaway
(05/22/07 5:53pm)
I tried it. I'm sure I didn't do it perfectly, but even so I got and extra 5 yards right away and had fewer tops. Divots were on the target side of the ball. I want more!
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Warren Dodd
(05/22/07 11:56pm)
First time with a new instructor, he gave me this method to deal with fat hits on irons. Very solid contact and very nice divots. Haven't tried driver yet. I can feel it in all my back muscles though. Requires a full body rotation at an angle to work correctly, which got muscles working I've never really used before.
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Earl
(05/27/07 8:06pm)
I tried the stack and tilt and picked up 30 yards on my 9 iron. It was amazing to me. I play to 7 handicap so to pick up 30 yards on my 9 iron was unthinkable. I have not taken the swing to the course yet still fine tunning distsnces, But can't wait. In 1 week I think I am hitting the ball more solid than I have in my 34 years of golf.
Earl
Earl
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Scott Phillips
(06/03/07 8:39pm)
I've been practicing with this new swing for about 3 weeks now. In my 40+ years of hacking (30 handicap) I have never hit the ball so well. Straighter, farther, more consistant. This has been incerdible. It's easy to learn the basics and take that knowledge to the range. Noticeable improvement from day one and getting even better ever since. Gawd, I sound like a commercial for these guys. Actually I'm just a golf addict who has been tinkering with his swing for years. This has been an amazing three weeks.
Response from:
j arthur
(06/12/07 2:51pm)
does anyone have contact information for pros that teach the stack and tilt?
Response from:
T Getz
(06/26/07 12:57pm)
Tried it and bought in immediately. Irons are very crisp and longer. I too am having trouble with fairway woods and Driver. When you do "hit one" with the Driver though - it is really long! But am having trouble with pull hooks with this club. Am going to try and keep connected better and extend to see if that helps.
Am averaging 5 shots less per round already even with the missed Drives from time to time (12 hdcp). So am loving it.
Am averaging 5 shots less per round already even with the missed Drives from time to time (12 hdcp). So am loving it.
Response from:
Gary
(06/30/07 5:53pm)
For those having problems using this swing with the driver. Even though 60% of your wt. is on your left side, make sure your head is a little behind the ball with the driver. It seems to keep to keep me from hitting down on the ball too much. I can now draw the ball better than I ever could before.
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Sandy
(07/03/07 7:04pm)
I have been using the stack and tilt for about 5 weeks. My HCp has droped from 15 to 12. I had a severly broken left leg and surgery with bone grafting from a skiing accident 4 years ago and when I was able to play golf 8 mos. later, my left leg was real week and I was really stuck on my right side. Unfortunately it stayed that way until I tried keeping my weight on the left and centered. It is definately easier to learn and feel the tilt and uplift of the upper body with short and mid irons. I'm still struggling with the driver but continue to be optimistic. One caution as noted in above posts is the needed flexibility of the spine to tilt on the backswing and in the followthrough position. At age 60 I'm glad I have practiced Yoga for 20 years. Some of my friends who are not real flexible or have has back surgery really can't make the tilt move very well.
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Dave
(07/10/07 1:50pm)
I use the stack and tilt only with the driver and its the best tip I have ever gotten. Straight and longer.
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sam
(08/09/07 6:48pm)
tried it yesterday for the first time, after reading the article. Did very well on my irons, I was not sure about the driver. I hit some good shots, but I also duckhooked a few. I would love to know the way to hit the driver with this method, since you are supposed to sweep off the tee.
Response from:
hanon
(06/05/08 8:40am)
Some keys to hit the driver:
www.emeraldbaygolfclub.com/video/stackandtilt.pdf
www.emeraldbaygolfclub.com/video/stackandtilt.pdf
Response from:
Kendrick
(06/30/08 1:26am)
I have been playing golf for about 10 years. I have never had a consistent swing with either my irons or driver. I have shot in the low 80's but usually shoot in the low to mid 90's. I just tried doing basics of the stack and tilt by using the 60:40 start and "pressing" my left foot down during backswing and through contact. I just tried it at the range today and I was amazed! I hit my irons further and straighter, but most of all more consistently than ever. I am so pumped I will take this new swing onto the course tomorrow after only a quick warm up in the morning before our tee time (hope it doesn't fall apart by then). By the way, I could not figure out how to hit my driver using this method so I will continue to hit my driver the same, but everything else will be STACK AND TILT BABY!!!
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Chris
(05/12/09 10:42am)
Remarkable. I tried the swing on the range yesterday for the first time, and after 80 balls, my ball striking, control, and flight all showed dramatic improvements. I was taught how to smash and carve the ball at an early age, and was a decent ball striker (especially with my driver) when I was younger and played more often. After I stopped playing competitvely, my game fell off and I haven't been able to find any consistency over the last 4 years(especially with my driver). I'm a 5 handicap currently, and have been as low as 0. After hitting 6 fairways over two rounds this past weekend, I was frustrated, and decided to read up on what stack and tilt was all about. Anyway, I printed out the instructions listed from the GD June issue - went to the range - did some drills I watched you tube, and I hit the ball in a way I have never have before. The hands forward with the driver, paired with a good inside turn allows for very high power. But unlike the weight shift of the traditional golf swing, the stack promotes a solid, repeatable movement. I hit 40 drivers into a wet field with absolutely no carry. I would say all were over 285. 25 of the 40 were 300 yards, and my longest drive flew 345. I was also using my Dad's old 975 J driver, with a harrison shaft.
Since I hit the ball farther than most, my misses have always been magnified. What I find so cool about the stack and tilt is how all this power is partnered with utmost control. I hit these mid-boring draws that came off the club face really hot. It was awesome!
80 balls at the range. And I will never go back to the traditional golf swing. Thanks Mike and Andy.
Since I hit the ball farther than most, my misses have always been magnified. What I find so cool about the stack and tilt is how all this power is partnered with utmost control. I hit these mid-boring draws that came off the club face really hot. It was awesome!
80 balls at the range. And I will never go back to the traditional golf swing. Thanks Mike and Andy.
Response from:
Bill
(05/26/09 6:55pm)
I have been working S&T about three weeks. I can attest to most of the other comments, and report a significant improvement in the quality and consistency of ball striking. I am amazed at the distance I have added on all my irons (I can even hit the 3 iron now, which had cobwebs growing around it in my bag.) I had initial problems with the driver, but found if I choked up on it more I was able to hit it real well with no noticeable loss of distance.
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